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Post by <Loaded_Gun> on Jan 8, 2006 17:03:52 GMT -5
We DO know who wrote the Bible, any other book I would have to agree with you, but the Bible is based on solid truth. And as for bring afraid to be related to monkeys, I'm not. Adam and Eve's desendants where not inbred. If you will read your Bible it talks about Cain going out into the world to marry. I think the good Lord eventually created more people than Adam and Eve.
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Post by Shadowfax on Jan 8, 2006 20:37:02 GMT -5
S.hadowcatcher I agrea with your post.
Technicaly I dont even think I'm Chirstan. I belive in four things out of the bible, heaven, hell, God, and Christ.
I'm a very scientific person, I cant simply belive what I am told. I have to have multiplue sorces of proof.
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Post by Silver Drow on Jan 10, 2006 8:50:05 GMT -5
Shadowfax and S.hadowcatcher, Did you know that it takes more faith to believe in evoltuion? I mean, there are no trasitional fossils, the big bag theroy falls apart on itself. There is literally no evidince to support the idea. The geological column is retarted. If you actually look at it. I mean really look, the oldest parts of their 'rock' are near the top and the youngest is at the bottom. Now tell me how that happened? Christitanity, there is proof everywhere? THe fact that humans can feed animals in a zoo is a fact. The fact that the trees aren't growing upside down is a fact. The fact that we aren't misshapen is another fact. Evolution is random chance. If this world was made by evolution, what's to stop the trees from growing potatoes. Or the sun from being just a foot closer. Or gravity being just a little stronger. We would die. Evolution is a that not a how. If you can't prove how it happen how can we say that it did happen? Everything that has been scientifically proven has been found in the Bible. That was written before the men figured out it was a truth. Besides scinece is all about cause and effect. Right? Well, evelution is an effect. What was the cause?
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Post by <Loaded_Gun> on Jan 10, 2006 16:30:41 GMT -5
I read this on a web site and quite agree with it.
At the first glance, the creation/evolution issue doesn't seem very important. But if we look back on the last one hundred and fifty years that have passed since Darwin published his book On the Origin of Species, we can say that the evolutionary theory played a very important role in weakening and destroying Christianity. This ideology alienates men from God, demoralizes and brutalizes entire societies.
“The evolutionary philosophy says, 'There is no God. All is the result of chance randomness. Death and struggle are the order of the day, not only now but indefinitely into the past and future.' If this is true, there is no basis for right and wrong. In the book of Judges we read that when they had no king to tell them what to do, they all did what was right in their own eyes. When there is no absolute authority, you can do whatever is convenient to you. And if people start believing in a world view called evolution, they are going to say, 'There is no God. Why should I obey authority? Why should there be rules against aberrant sexual behaviour? Why should there be rules against abortion? After all, evolution tells us we are all animals...“The evolutionary philosophy says, 'There is no God. All is the result of chance randomness. Death and struggle are the order of the day, not only now but indefinitely into the past and future.' If this is true, there is no basis for right and wrong. In the book of Judges we read that when they had no king to tell them what to do, they all did what was right in their own eyes. When there is no absolute authority, you can do whatever is convenient to you. And if people start believing in a world view called evolution, they are going to say, 'There is no God. Why should I obey authority? Why should there be rules against aberrant sexual behaviour? Why should there be rules against abortion? After all, evolution tells us we are all animals...
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Post by SilverBullet on Jan 10, 2006 21:33:06 GMT -5
You are looking too deeply into it, that is the problem. Like the article Mythical posted... I disagree completely, even find it somewhat stupid. Just because I do not believe in a God does not mean I believe in obeying nothing. There's a difference between saying there need not be any rules, and saying the theory of one entity being all powerful is a load of crap.
Some rules we make are rules we've got to make for ourselves. Why are there rules against hurting others? Abusing others? We don't need a God tell us it's wrong, kids. We need common sense. I don't rebel against authority, but tell me: if by some chance the bible said something was fine, something we know to be wrong, would you do it anyways? I see people doing things in the name of holy entities all the time that's just plain wrong. I'd rather not get myself caught up in something psychotic like that, something where it's so easy to blame one person. If there's no one controlling your life, your problems are your own and you're responsible for your actions.
And as to the big bang theory being incomplete: Where is real proof of your own? If someone wrote it all in a book and called it holy, would it not be true? How do you know it's right? Just because you were taught to believe in it? Science has its rules, it follows them. You've just got to learn them. Everything was random once. That is why potatoes grow in the ground and apples grow on trees. It's not random anymore, it's set in its ways. Sure, if things had happened differently we might have three arms instead of two. But we don't. Because they didn't. Science doesn't allow things to change randomly anymore, anyways. So what's your point, stating that...?
How do we know trees really aren't supposed to be the other way around? What do zoos have to do with it, anyways? Maybe if other animals were stupid enough to lock us up, they'd do it. They don't, and things grow and are the way there are. It's just how it is... because the way things started allowed it to be that way. No one knows the cause of the start of things yet, I admit that. But I am certain we will find evidence one day. I could also ask, where did your God come from? Can you answer me and not go against your own arguments?
Hehe... I hope no one takes offense to me. I still luff y'alls.
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Post by Shadowfax on Jan 11, 2006 20:43:06 GMT -5
Again I agrea with what Shadow said.
The big bang makes perfect sense to me, this may have something to do with the fact that I have taken several YEARS to learn it all but I understand it now. There are still parts that confuse me but I know Einsten sumed it up perty well, and plus it makes more sense that a being saying "Let there be light" and then light coming from no where.
Personaly I see no evidence of Creation but I do see things I can touch for evloution. As for the missing link I do belive that there is a good reason there are seemingly no fossils. I heard a few years ago that it is very possible that we do have the fosils infact they've been right under our nose the whole time. It was simply the eary humanoids. It is thought that some where foruced to live in a watery enviorment and learned to stand up right all the time, it also explains why babbies intinctivly know to hold their breath(I've think maybe even swim not sure on this) once in water.
As for the cause of evloution that is a simple one I was taught very early, the cause is a changing enviroment.
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Post by Silver Drow on Jan 12, 2006 20:25:22 GMT -5
Shadowcatcher: If we need common sense to tell us what is wrong: where did the common sense come from? Random chance? You just said that science was once random. Science never allows itself to be random. And if it was once random, what is stopping it from being random again? It was never random, people just never understood it. People still don't understand it. It can't. I'll admit it. I don't know where God came from. I don't. I can't even try to explain how he came to be. But he was there before the beginning of time. He is the Alhpa and the Omega. The Beginning and the End. He is the omnipatent. We do know the start of everything... "In the beginning was the Word. And the Word was with God and the Word was God." John 1:1 God is the beginning and the Word is his Son, Jesus. How do you know that Chrisitanity is wrong? How do you know that your beliefs are the right ones? I luff ya, too. Were you to die tomorrow... where will you go?
Shadowfax: Okay, the big band makes perfect sense? Could you explain that to me? 'Cause it sure doesn't to me. As for the babbies being able to instinctivly hold there breaths underwater, what do you think they did in the mothers womb? It is all fluid and water in there. There is no air. That is how God created it! They do know how to swim early on. And they forget and relearn. Einsten was Jewish... Not an evolutionist...
Both: Darwin admitted that if he could be proven wrong in any way that his THEORY would fall to pieces. Darwin admitted that evoltuion is a theory. Not a scientific fact. Scientist have admited that it is just a theory that has yet to be proven... Scientists agree that life only comes from living things in today's world. Yet the THeory of Evolution insists that millions of years ago life sprang from non-living chemicals. One famous scientist, Dr. Robert Jastrow, says there are only two choices: Either life was created on the Earth by the will of being outside the graso of scientific understanding [God], or it evolved on our planet spontaneously, through chemical reations occurring in non-living matter lying on the surface of the planet. This makes our choice ver simple. We must either believe that life just happened to begin or else believe that God created life. If we can show that life could not happen through chemical reactions occuring through chemical reactions occuring in non-living matter lying on the surface of our planet, then we have ecidence that God must have created life!
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Post by spotlightfan2 on Jan 12, 2006 20:36:13 GMT -5
I'm a christian and I'm proud end of my input...
Don't want to be in a fight and I think he was resurrected.
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Post by SilverBullet on Jan 13, 2006 18:55:22 GMT -5
spotlightfan: Don't call it a fight, it's a debate. *eyes suspiciously*
And Silver Drow: Science isn't random. As I said before, we don't understand all of it, but it isn't random because it follows it's own rules. Everything did have to be random once, because there was nothing and everything that happened would be random chance, no matter what you believe. Once it was set, however, it was set. It doesnt' change anymore without reason, even though we might not understand that reason.
In effect, you are stating that neither of us really have proof? Both sides don't have concrete evidence. I do not see signs of God, you do not see signs of evolution. So both, really, take a certain amount of faith. We haven't proven yet that life could not have been made from chemical compounds, so both sides do remain unproven and undisproven. I do not see evidence that you have disproved the theory of evolution yet. I realize you cannot know where God came from. That is why I will not trust him.
So... I suppose this is almost the end of this. I'll accept that my side has holes in it, but so does yours. It just depends on what people are willing to see, and what they're willing to turn a blind eye towards.
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Post by Shadowfax on Jan 13, 2006 19:54:38 GMT -5
I know Enstie was Jewish, his equation E=MC2(squared that is) is what sums up the big bang theory. I would try to explain but lI miss stated what I ment(very sorry) in reality I only sorta understand it, defenatly not enough to explain(the science channel explained it realy well several times one show was The Perfect Equcation or something like that).
I am not sure(again) but I have heard that with freakish amounts of elxetricy scientist did get a reaction similar to life to happen in labritory settings. I'm not saying that life couldnt have been God's work but it just sounds like Spontanius Generation to me.
(as a side note I am personaly finding this enjoyable.)
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